Pytanie:
Dlaczego tak wiele najwcześniejszych banków zostało założonych przez handlarzy suknem?
TheChymera
2020-01-02 10:30:46 UTC
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Niedawno zauważyłem, że wiele wczesnych banków, w tym Metzler i Berenberg, zostało założonych przez handlarzy suknem. Masz jakieś pojęcie, dlaczego ta szczególna branża najbardziej sprzyjała zarządzaniu inwestycjami?

Wyobrażam sobie, że skoro tkaniny są trwałe, kupcy odzieżowi mogliby najmniej pożyczyć pożyczaj pieniądze, ponieważ zapasy są zarządzane w najbardziej przewidywalny sposób.

Cześć TheChymera i witaj w History SE. Daj nam znać, gdzie już szukałeś. Czy możesz również utworzyć kopię zapasową „dużo”, podając więcej przykładów?
Czy wyjaśnienie może być tak proste, jak fakt, że tkanina była jednym z pierwszych towarów o wartości dodanej?
Jeśli lubisz szczegóły i nie masz nic przeciwko spędzeniu na nich kilku godzin, sprawdź doskonały podcast Tides of History autorstwa Patricka Wymana. Nakręcił kilka epizodów na temat kupców wczesnego nowożytnego / późnego średniowiecza. Jeśli jednak pamięć mi dobrze służy, to, co powiedział Aaron, ma trochę prawdy (tj. Mieli głębokie kieszenie), podobnie jak fakt, że instrumenty kredytowe rozwinęły się w tym czasie, aby uniknąć przemieszczania się waluty.
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LаngLаngС
2020-01-02 17:48:34 UTC
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If you get rich in a business you soon find that you have no reasonable 'line of work' for your money, or in other word: capital. So you get essentially too rich for meaningful expansion in your core business. And now you can start either to waste it around for personal luxuries or other consumption — or you throw your money around as an 'investor' or money lender if you still want to make even more money. They diversified. Not all cloth merchants went into banking and there were other sources of accumulated wealth. The Welser family had a big stake in lucrative cloth trade but was founded on silver mining in Tyrol.

This is the story from the Italian merchants, the Fugger onwards to today's petro-dollars — it doesn't matter whether the base came from cloth, grains, oil or selling books over the internet, stealing an operating system or creating a search engine, high demand and control of prices make a very nice profit:

Cloth merchant: In the Middle Ages or 16th and 17th centuries, a cloth merchant was one who owned or ran a cloth (often wool) manufacturing or wholesale import or export business. A cloth merchant might additionally have owned a number of draper's shops. Cloth was extremely expensive and cloth merchants were often very wealthy. A number of Europe's leading banking dynasties such as Medici and Berenberg built their original fortunes as cloth merchants.

And

Merchant banks were in fact the first modern banks. They emerged in the Middle Ages from the Italian grain and cloth merchants community and started to develop in the 11th century during the large European fair of St. Giles (England), then at the Champagne fairs (France). As the Lombardy merchants and bankers grew in stature based on the strength of the Lombard plains cereal crops, many displaced Jews fleeing Spanish persecution were attracted to the trade. The Florentine merchant banking community was exceptionally active and propagated new finance practices all over Europe. Both Jews and Florentine merchants perfected ancient practices used in the Middle East trade routes and the Far East silk routes. Originally intended for the finance of long trading journeys, these methods were applied to finance the medieval "commercial revolution".

The most important point to observe here is that neither wealth as such nor certainly not any cloth has anything to do with 'founding a bank'. How delicious and perishable is cloth, says the ever as hungry as a capitalist moth. The key is that an assumed and believed amount of money exists, and that business partners believe that the key player will predictably honour his obligations. The repeated use of 'believe' gives the essential hint: believe in Latin is credere, and what we see is another transformation of the debt system into the credit system we still use to account.

This is demonstrable with undermining the premise that 'one needed to be a cloth merchant to become a merchant banker':

Italian banking houses such as the Bardi, Peruzzi, and Medici did much better. In banking history, the Italians are most famous for their complex joint-stock organization and for spearheading the use of Islamic-style bills of exchange.(Graeber/Debt)

The Bardi started with just general trading, Peruzzi started with wheat trading and went into cloth before banking, with cloth being the point they knitted an international trading post system. Acciaiolis also started with general merchandise in Cremona (or Brescia), while the Solaros seem to have gained enough capital before reliable historical information about them came about to appear as jump-heading into Lombard banking style.

Counter examples to cloth merchant status needed are also the Gondi and Strozzi families:

Strozzi is the name of an ancient (later noble) Florentine family, who like their great rivals the Medici family, began in banking before moving into politics. Until its exile from Florence in 1434, the Strozzi family was by far the richest in the city, and was rivaled only by the Medici family, who ultimately took control of the government and ruined the Strozzi both financially and politically. […]

And indeed, already Rosso Arduino Strozzi and Pietro Bueno Strozzi were rich enough to recreate their own past as 'being enobled by Charlemagne' and with the Gondis claimed such ancient descent as to hold offices in this system as patricians to be already named by Dante as "ancient", and thus rich…

Going back to the two examples mentioned in the question: both were quite late to the game. Metzler has the first traceable pure financial transactions only in 1728, while its founder Benjamin was indeed mainly in the cloth trade. But Berenberg is much more colourful. Hans and Paul were indeed sons of a Belgian cloth trader, and they dealt also in cloth with Merchant Adventurers. But an even larger part of their trade was dyes, cereals, fruit, salt, and spices like ginger and pepper. Being Hamburg based and especially well connected to the Netherlands, Baltics, Russia, Portugal and England: They were proper 'pepper sacks', like their other Hanseatic or Augsburg and Nuremberg based Upper-German counterparts, before concentrating on money-making alone.

The other spice traders called peperzaks were then the people of the Dutch East India Company VOC:

The VOC was a driving force behind the rise of Amsterdam as the first modern model of international financial centres that now dominate the global financial system. With their political independence, huge maritime and financial power, Republican-period Amsterdam and other Dutch cities – unlike their Southern Netherlandish cousins and predecessors such as Burgundian-rule Bruges and Habsburg-rule Antwerp – could control crucial resources and markets directly, sending their combined fleets to almost all quarters of the globe.

During the 17th century and most of the 18th century, Amsterdam had been the most influential financial centre of the world. The VOC also played a major role in the creation of the world's first fully functioning financial market, with the birth of a fully fledged capital market. The Dutch were also the first who effectively used a fully-fledged capital market (including the bond market and the stock market) to finance companies (such as the VOC and the WIC). It was in the 17th-century Dutch Republic that the global securities market began to take on its modern form.

And it was in Amsterdam that the important institutional innovations such as publicly traded companies, transnational corporations, capital markets (including bond markets and stock markets), central banking system, investment banking system, and investment funds (mutual funds) were systematically operated for the first time in history. In 1602 the VOC established an exchange in Amsterdam where VOC stock and bonds could be traded in a secondary market. The VOC undertook the world's first recorded IPO in the same year. The Amsterdam Stock Exchange (Amsterdamsche Beurs or Beurs van Hendrick de Keyser in Dutch) was also the world's first fully-fledged stock exchange. While the Italian city-states produced first formal bond markets, they did not develop the other ingredient necessary to produce a fully fledged capital market: the formal stock market.

The Dutch East India Company (VOC) became the first company to offer shares of stock. The dividend averaged around 18% of capital over the course of the Company's 200-year existence. The launch of the Amsterdam Stock Exchange by the VOC in the early 1600s, has long been recognised as the origin of 'modern' stock exchanges that specialise in creating and sustaining secondary markets in the securities (such as bonds and shares of stock) issued by corporations. Dutch investors were the first to trade their shares at a regular stock exchange. The process of buying and selling these shares of stock in the VOC became the basis of the first official (formal) stock market in history. It was in the Dutch Republic that the early techniques of stock-market manipulation were developed. The Dutch pioneered stock futures, stock options, short selling, bear raids, debt-equity swaps, and other speculative instruments.

Finally the Höchstetters of Donauwörth/Augsburg again are evidence for going from weaver/taylor to then head of corporation, only then going into cloth merchant, getting rich enough for small aristocracy, then pooling their funds to start trading with spices, then cloth and minerals like silver, iron ores. When they went 'bank' they became fantastically rich in a very short time, and knew how to get richer: same as before, not only through trade but by usury and monopolies. Just like the other merchants – of all kinds – they tried to get some kind of a monopoly. With Fugger it was local dominance in copper and silver, and Höchstetter tried to get a world wide monopoly in mercury.

The pattern to observe is that cloth isn't necessary for this, but the profits made from international long distance trade – that might involve cloth – forms a nice base to transform profits into capital. By coincidence, in England typical merchant bankers like Child started from (being a weaver's son in one case) as goldsmiths. Another way to go for riches is of course drugs. In this case the well known family of Merck.

And if taken together we see this answered as the example in 'original accumulation of capital'.

How well positioned as a group cloth merchants emerging from their late medieval standing were to bring together local dominance, monopolies and trade from, into, and around 'protected' markets – with local lines of credit already present to expand on in the form of their trading outposts throughout Europe – may be analysed with classical means.

— John Munro: "The Monetary Origins of the ‘Price Revolution’ : South German Silver Mining, Merchant-Banking, and Venetian Commerce, 1470-1540'", Department of Economics, University of Toronto, Working Paper No. 8, 2003.

— Meir Kohn: "Merchant Banking in the Medieval and Early Modern Economy"Working Paper 99-05, Department of Economics, Dartmouth College, 1999.

— Peter Kriedte: "Peasants, Landlords And Merchant Capitalists. Europe and the World Economy, 1500-1800", Berg: Warwickshire, 1983.

+1 za „kradzież systemu operacyjnego”.
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user27618
2020-01-02 20:29:04 UTC
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Question:
Why were so many of the earliest banks founded by cloth merchants?

Also the Medici Bank. One of the most important banks in Medieval Europe who it's said financed the Renaissance.

I would imagine that since cloth is non-perishable, cloth merchants might least need to loan and lend money, since stockpiles are most predictably managed.

It wasn't so much the managing of stockpiles of cloth as it was facilitating trade. Namely the purchasing of raw materials in order to produce cloth. Financial infrastructure such as banks, served an important role in trade, and cloth merchants namely (wool merchants) were important pioneers in international trade.

The seasonal nature of wool industry lent itself to creative financing. As purchase of raw materials lent themselves to predictable reliable profits down the line. Cloth merchants could finance wool purchases. Also because Cloth merchants needed to transport their wealth to buy raw materials, often across international boundaries. Financial infrastructure sprang up to loan money to merchants as well as facilitate transport of wealth necessary to participate in the markets.

It's because cloth, specifically wool, was one of the first major industries to rely on international trade. Sheep were raised one place, processed perhaps in another place( combed, dyed, spun) Britain was a large producer of raw wool, and the weavering could be in an entirely different place (flanders was the primary producer of wool cloth).

History of Wool Trade
Whilst the English did make cloth for their own use, very little of what was produced was actually sold abroad. It was the raw wool from English sheep that was required to feed foreign looms. At that time the best weavers lived in Flanders and in the rich cloth-making towns of Bruges, Ghent and Ypres, they were ready to pay top prices for English wool.

Wool became the backbone and driving force of the medieval English economy between the late thirteenth century and late fifteenth century and at the time the trade was described as “the jewel in the realm”! To this day the seat of the Lord High Chancellor in the House of Lords is a large square bag of wool called the ‘woolsack’, a reminder of the principal source of English wealth in the Middle Ages.

In order to get the best price for their wool an entire industry of seasonal traders and markets emerged. Periodically countries even outlawed the exportation of wool or placed death sentences on exporting sheep. Wool accounted for a large percentage of international trade as early from the 15th to 18th century. Such commerce required financial institutions to offset the risk of being robbed as representatives of the weavers traveled to remote markets to purchase raw wool.

the History of Wool
Sheep and their wool were such an important economic force during the 15th to 18th centuries, that countries such as Spain and England had periods when they prohibited exports of sheep and raw wool. By 1660 two-thirds of England's foreign commerce was based on wool textile exports. In Spain the death penalty of exporting sheep was lifted in 1786.


Medieval Clothing and Fabrics in the Middle Ages
Cotton doesn't grow well in cooler climes, so its use in medieval garments was less common in northern Europe than wool or linen.

Biorąc pod uwagę swoją argumentację, czy możesz uzyskać dostęp do [Wełna, tkanina i złoto] (https://utorontopress.com/ca/wool-cloth-and-gold-1)?
Również ogólnoeuropejskie konopie, len, pokrzywa (+ inne włókna…) i [bawełna] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cotton#Western_world_2) (Sycylia, Cypr, Grecja, Turcja oraz import) mogą być warte wspominając?
@LаngLаngС, dziękuję, sprawdzę to. Wydaje się, że to prowadzi nas w dół. (choć interesujący), w ucieczce od banku, relacji kupca i tkacza i wchodzeniu bardziej w kłopotliwe / toksyczne: kupieckie, królewskie, kościelne powiązania bankowe, również wspomniałem.
Re the Woolsack in the House of Lords: jest to teraz siedziba Lorda Marszałka, który w 2006 roku przejął rolę przewodniczącego od Lorda Kanclerza. [Wikipedia też to zauważa] (https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki / Woolsack): „W 1938 r. odkryto, że worek wełniany był w rzeczywistości wypchany włosiem końskim. Kiedy worek wełniany został przerobiony, został ponownie wypchany wełną z całej Rzeczypospolitej jako symbol jedności”.
Inną kwestią był długi łańcuch dostaw: na przykład patrząc na [londyńskie firmy zajmujące się malowaniem i gildie] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livery_company#List_of_companies_in_order_of_precedence), byli tam Woolmen, The Weavers, the Clothworkers, Farbiarze, Draperowie, (em) Broiderers, Haberdashers i Merchant Taylors między innymi. Tak długa droga między owcami a klientami końcowymi, którzy potrzebowali finansowania.
Banki ułatwiały również dostęp do kapitału w innych krajach i często były zakładane przez kupców. Zamiast nosić ze sobą dużą torbę gotówki, gdziekolwiek się udałeś, włożyłeś ją do banku, a następnie otrzymałeś weksel na potrzebną kwotę. Inne oddziały banku (a nawet inni kupcy) będą honorować tę notę, a Ty możesz jej użyć, aby komuś zapłacić. Lub możesz po prostu udać się do oddziału banku i przekazać kwotę bez gotówki. Włoski kupiec może również zdeponować gotówkę we Florencji i wypłacić ją w Antwerpii. To znacznie ułatwiło międzynarodowe transakcje.
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tbrookside
2020-01-21 00:55:50 UTC
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Do doskonałych odpowiedzi dodam, że przed rewolucją przemysłową handlarze odzieżą agregowali produkcję dużej liczby dostawców i dostarczali produkty dużej liczbie nabywców, w tym zagranicznym. To postawiło ich w sytuacji, w której naturalnie skończyli na zrobieniu znacznej ilości faktoringu.

Z Wikipedii:

Faktoring to transakcja finansowa i rodzaj finansowania dłużnika, w którym firma sprzedaje swoje należności (tj. Faktury) osobie trzeciej (zwanej faktorem) z dyskontem. Firma czasami bierze pod uwagę swoje należności, aby zaspokoić swoje obecne i natychmiastowe potrzeby gotówkowe.

W gospodarkach przednowoczesnych bez systemów licencyjnych lub regulacyjnych granica między prawdziwym bankiem a bankiem handlowym jest bardzo mglista . Instytucję dokonującą dużej liczby transakcji faktoringowych oraz obsługującą obciążenia i kredyty dla każdego klienta bardzo trudno funkcjonalnie odróżnić od banku.

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Tom Au
2020-01-20 17:30:30 UTC
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Ponieważ materiał jest nietrwały, tkanina jest dobrym zabezpieczeniem.

Pożyczkodawcy lubią mieć coś, czego mogą używać jako zabezpieczenia. Ziemia mogła służyć temu celowi, ale została zmonopolizowana przez szlachtę. „Kupcy” (z klasy średniej) mieli niewiele dóbr twardych do zabezpieczenia pożyczki, ale jednym z nich był ich „zapas handlowy”. Gdyby nie spłacili, pożyczkodawca zlikwidowałby ich towary (np. Tkaniny) za zapłatę.

Drugą kwestią jest to, że ubranie jest jedną z „trzech potrzeb” (pozostałe to pożywienie i schronienie), więc w społeczeństwie „na własne potrzeby” byłoby to jednym z przedmiotów, w których największe ilości „handlu”, a więc „pożyczania”.



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